From: Timothy Knox Date: 07:44 on 20 Nov 2006 Subject: Hating the Mac OS X installer So Software Updater recently told me it wanted to update X11 and iTunes. No problem, sez I, 'cause neither one needed a restart (I hate that). Go ahead, sez I. And so it begins. After a few minutes, the installer pops up a dialog that says, "You must quit X11.app before updating it. OK?" (or words to that effect). I clicked "OK", expecting the installer to either quit X11 for me, or to stop the install. Nope! It just popped that d*mned dialog box, over and over AND OVER! HATE! Worse yet, when it got to be time to update iTunes, yes, you guessed it. The whole d*mn cycle repeated. HATE! HATE! HATE!
From: Bill Page Date: 08:47 on 20 Nov 2006 Subject: Re: Hating the Mac OS X installer you may be interested in something called "activity monitor" quicksilver it up, kill what needs to be killed yes it should do it automatically but really how hard is it to push apple+q in itunes? On 11/20/06, Timothy Knox <tdk@xxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > So Software Updater recently told me it wanted to update X11 and iTunes. No > problem, sez I, 'cause neither one needed a restart (I hate that). Go ahead, sez > I. And so it begins. After a few minutes, the installer pops up a dialog that > says, "You must quit X11.app before updating it. OK?" (or words to that effect). > I clicked "OK", expecting the installer to either quit X11 for me, or to stop > the install. Nope! It just popped that d*mned dialog box, over and over AND > OVER! HATE! > > Worse yet, when it got to be time to update iTunes, yes, you guessed it. The > whole d*mn cycle repeated. HATE! HATE! HATE! > > -- > Timothy Knox <mailto:tdk@xxxxxxxx.xxx>; > "People who are willing to rely on the government to keep them safe > are pretty much standing on Darwin's mat, pounding on the door, > screaming, 'Take me, take me!'" > -- Carl Jacobs, from alt.sysadmin.recovery >
From: Joe Mahoney Date: 09:37 on 20 Nov 2006 Subject: Re: Hating the Mac OS X installer On Nov 20, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Timothy Knox wrote: > After a few minutes, the installer pops up a dialog that > says, "You must quit X11.app before updating it. OK?" (or words to > that effect). > I clicked "OK", expecting the installer to either quit X11 for me, > or to stop > the install. If I recall correctly, the dialog box that pops up doesn't ask you anything, it only tells you what needs to be done. I guarantee there'd be a lot more posts to this list about the installer if it automatically quit your apps without asking. Joe
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 15:42 on 20 Nov 2006 Subject: Re: Hating the Mac OS X installer > If I recall correctly, the dialog box that pops up doesn't ask you > anything, it only tells you what needs to be done. That's the part of the problem that the original hate was about. > I guarantee > there'd be a lot more posts to this list about the installer if it > automatically quit your apps without asking. Popping up a dialog that included "yes, go ahead and quit it for me" as an option would have defused the hate. Having an "installer" for iTunes is meta-hateful.
From: Timothy Knox Date: 21:02 on 20 Nov 2006 Subject: Re: Hating the Mac OS X installer Somewhere on Shadow Earth, at Mon, Nov 20, 2006 at 09:42:56AM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: > > If I recall correctly, the dialog box that pops up doesn't ask you > > anything, it only tells you what needs to be done. > > That's the part of the problem that the original hate was about. Exactly! That, and the fact that it kept popping up, every time you hit "OK". > > I guarantee > > there'd be a lot more posts to this list about the installer if it > > automatically quit your apps without asking. > > Popping up a dialog that included "yes, go ahead and quit it for me" as > an option would have defused the hate. Having an "installer" for iTunes > is meta-hateful. Again, just so! In the old days (pre OS X), if a program couldn't/shouldn't be running while the update happened, the updater would ask, "Would you like to quit XYZZY so the update can proceed?" Polite, but helpful. Now the updater is neither. And yes, I agree with another poster that needing "software installers" at all is hateful, but this hate was for one specific bit of hatefulness.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 15:25 on 20 Nov 2006 Subject: Re: Hating the Mac OS X installer Should read "Subject: Re: Hating the Mac OS X^W^W^W^W installers" I hate program installers and packaging systems. Even the ones that just get out of my way and DTRT most of the time, like the Ports system, piss me off because 99% of them don't do anything that I should need to do. NeXT got it right. A program is a complete entity, and maybe one in a hundred have a rational reason for having parts of itself stuck in umpty nine different places. For the rest, an appdir you can "mv", "cp -pR", or drag into place should be all the "installer" you need.
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