From: Timothy Knox Date: 07:43 on 13 Nov 2007 Subject: Firefox updater hate Dear Firefox updater, Thank you so much for keeping my copy of Firefox, and my Firefox extensions, up to date. I really appreciate that, truly I do. But let me clue you in on how GUIs work in the 21st century. Nowadays, when an application highlights a button as a default, hitting return is normally interpreted as though the user had pressed that button. I can understand your confusion, after all, it's only been standard behaviour for at least the last twenty years or so, so maybe you haven't quite caught up yet. So consider this just a little FYI: When I hit the triply-accursed enter key, and you have a fscking button highlighted, I want you to act as though I had personally moved the mouse over the d*mned button and mother-fscking clicked it! AAAAAARRRGGH! You filth-encrusted slimy turd! May you suffer a terminal case of licky-end, or something even more horrific!
From: Yossi Kreinin Date: 09:51 on 13 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate Timothy Knox wrote: > > When I hit the triply-accursed enter key, and you have a fscking button > highlighted, I want you to act as though I had personally moved the mouse over > the d*mned button and mother-fscking clicked it! AAAAAARRRGGH! You > filth-encrusted slimy turd! May you suffer a terminal case of licky-end, or > something even more horrific! > I use Firefox on a Windows and a Linux machine. I didn't figure out how to save the session except for killing the process, in which case Firefox asks whether I want to restore the session or not when it's launched again. Well, hitting enter works on both machines, but the buttons are /swapped/.
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 11:04 on 13 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate * Yossi Kreinin <yossi.kreinin@xxxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-11-13 11:00]: > I use Firefox on a Windows and a Linux machine. I didn't figure > out how to save the session except for killing the process, in > which case Firefox asks whether I want to restore the session > or not when it's launched again. There's an Unbreak Me extension for this: http://www.defector.de/blog/category/firefox-extensions/session-fix/ My profile is tricked out with 8 (eight!) such Unbreak Me extensions. Until I had not realised that half -- fully *half* -- of my laundry list of installed extensions comprises fixes for one kind of braindeath in Firefox or another. Wow. (If anyone is interested in a list, I can provide it. Not sure it's on-topic material.) Regards,
From: Juerd Waalboer Date: 19:00 on 13 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate A. Pagaltzis skribis 2007-11-13 12:04 (+0100): > (If anyone is interested in a list, I can provide it. Not sure > it's on-topic material.) I would like to know, and I'm posting this to the list just to annoy people who are against using hates-software for providing fixes ;)
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 03:54 on 14 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate * Juerd Waalboer <juerd@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx> [2007-11-13 20:05]: > I'm posting this to the list just to annoy people who are > against using hates-software for providing fixes ;) Heh, well, I got a half-dozen off-list requests, so I figure there's enough interest to justify an on-list posting anyway. * Fix for bug 348031 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=348031#c52 (Yes, there's an extension there.) Remember my rant about Ctrl-W in Firefox 2 being broken? This extension fixes it. Also when you click the tab close button on the last tab, the window closes as well. Praise goodness! * Locate in Bookmark Folders https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/622 When you do a search in the bookmark manager, there is no way to get from any one bookmark it finds back to the folder where that bookmark was filed. This extension provides a button that switches your view to the containing folder. * Long Titles https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1715 Very long link/image/etc title display in a multiline popup instead of being unceremoniously truncated with an ellipsis. * Manage Folder http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1912080#1912080 Restores the "Manage Folder" menu item on bookmark folders that was there in FF 1.x but was removed from FF 2 (because under circumstances I never encountered it would exhibit a bug). * Open in browser http://www.spasche.net/mozilla/ When a server sends a file with a MIME type Firefox doesn't recognise, such as `text/x-diff` or `text/x-perl`, the only options you get are passing it to another app or saving it to disk. This extension extends the options to viewing the file within the browser as text, HTML, XML, or an image. * Restarter https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3458 Adds a "Restart" option to the "File" menu. Inexplicably, Firefox does not show a Restart button when you enable, disable or uninstall an extension, the way it does when you install one. * Session Fix https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4542 Adds a "Save Session" button to the warning dialog you get when you try to close a window with multiple tabs. Unfortunately if you use multiple windows, it only ever appears on the warning dialog for the *last* window -- even if you did "File", "Quit". So it's not as useful as it could be. :-( * Tabinta https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3955 Allows you to assign a shortcut of your choice for entering Tab characters in textareas. There's no way to do this in stock Firefox. OK, this is borderline on the feature/bugfix divide... * Resizeable Textarea https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3818 (This is definitely more of a feature than a bug, but since I'm on a roll and it's a bit of a fix as well, I figured I'd throw it in.) Lets you drag-resize textareas by their right/ bottom borders, just like a window. Look at that list... it's *all* stuff I would really expect the browser to do in a stock install. There's no issue of usability trade-offs with those either, with the possible exception of "Open in browser". All others need little or no UI worth the mention. ("Tabinta" could be done better and without the need for any configuration by having a "enter literal character" shortcut like Ctrl-V is in vim or the shell.) Instead I have to painstakingly hunt down one-off fixes for all this crap. Hate. Regards,
From: Robert Rothenberg Date: 15:59 on 14 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate On 14/11/07 03:54 A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Juerd Waalboer <juerd@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx> [2007-11-13 20:05]: >> I'm posting this to the list just to annoy people who are >> against using hates-software for providing fixes ;) > > Heh, well, I got a half-dozen off-list requests, so I figure > there's enough interest to justify an on-list posting anyway. > > [...] Thanks for the list. I've got a few others to add: * Back to Top Context menu options to go back to top/down to bottom of page. Context menu versions of Home and End buttons, really. * CTC Adds close tab to context menu. * FormFox Pops up form action when submit button is about to be clicked. (Well, doesn't seem to work as well as it should, so I've stopped using it.) * Submit to Tab Bug# 17754. Direct submission of form to new tab. * Uppity Navigate up one or more levels. So if you're at http://www.example.com/foo/bar/baz.html but there's no link to an upper level, let alone the root, you can quickly go to it. > Look at that list... it's *all* stuff I would really expect the > browser to do in a stock install. There's no issue of usability > trade-offs with those either, with the possible exception of > "Open in browser". All others need little or no UI worth the > mention. [...] > Instead I have to painstakingly hunt down one-off fixes for all > this crap. Hate. As hateful as it is, at least Firefox allows extensions (and they are "easy" enough to write) to make things less hateful. Rob
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 17:08 on 14 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate * Robert Rothenberg <robrwo@xxxxx.xxx> [2007-11-14 17:05]: > * Uppity > Navigate up one or more levels. So if you're at > http://www.example.com/foo/bar/baz.html but there's no link to > an upper level, let alone the root, you can quickly go to it. I use Digger <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/1467>; for that. It gives you access not only to one level up, but to all levels in the hierarchy as well as the Google cache and Wayback Machine archive of the address. And it does this not only for the current page (via the Go button's context menu) but also for every link on a page (via the link's context menu). Extremely handy, but clearly a feature rather than a fix. > As hateful as it is, at least Firefox allows extensions (and > they are "easy" enough to write) to make things less hateful. "The bad news: Javascript is broken. The good news: it can be fixed with more Javascript!" I agree that extensions mitigate the hatefulness of braindeath in Firefox. They can, however, not expunge it; by definition. Regards,
From: numien Date: 03:35 on 16 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate Not entirely related, but while we're hating on Firefox anyways, I just got this nice gem from it: http://castle.maeyanie.com/Screenshot-6.png Uhhh... WTF?
From: Peter da Silva Date: 18:23 on 13 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate On 13-Nov-2007, at 01:43, Timothy Knox wrote: > But let me clue you in on how GUIs work in the 21st century. > Nowadays, when an > application highlights a button as a default, hitting return is > normally > interpreted as though the user had pressed that button. Is this Firefox hate or Windows hate? In Windows at least, "space" means "hilighted button", "return" means "OK" (or other "approve" selection), and "escape" means "cancel" (or other "deny" selection). If "cancel" is hilighted and you hit "return", the standard Windows dialogs will treat this as if you clicked on the "approve" selection. This is hateful, but if you were on Windows, that's the correct action (albeit hateful). If you were on UNIX, then Firefox may be hatefully using Windows behavior inappropriately. That's a bug.
From: Timothy Knox Date: 19:45 on 14 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate Somewhere on Shadow Earth, at Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:23:14PM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: > On 13-Nov-2007, at 01:43, Timothy Knox wrote: > >But let me clue you in on how GUIs work in the 21st century. > >Nowadays, when an > >application highlights a button as a default, hitting return is > >normally > >interpreted as though the user had pressed that button. > > Is this Firefox hate or Windows hate? > > In Windows at least, "space" means "hilighted button", "return" means > "OK" (or other "approve" selection), and "escape" means "cancel" (or > other "deny" selection). If "cancel" is hilighted and you hit > "return", the standard Windows dialogs will treat this as if you > clicked on the "approve" selection. This is hateful, but if you were > on Windows, that's the correct action (albeit hateful). > > If you were on UNIX, then Firefox may be hatefully using Windows > behavior inappropriately. That's a bug. No, I was on Mac OS X, same as you. Yes, I use Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, and Solaris for my day job, but this was at home on my MacBookPro. Which is what makes it doubly hateful. If it was Windows, I agree, I'd count myself lucky if an app followed the standards (such as they are) for all Windows apps. But I was on OS X, fer Pete's sake (no direct reference intended). So to answer your original question, I'm pretty sure it's a Firefox hate. Pfui!
From: Peter da Silva Date: 20:24 on 14 Nov 2007 Subject: Re: Firefox updater hate On 14-Nov-2007, at 13:45, Timothy Knox wrote: > Somewhere on Shadow Earth, at Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:23:14PM > -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: >> If you were on UNIX, then Firefox may be hatefully using Windows >> behavior inappropriately. That's a bug. > > No, I was on Mac OS X, same as you. In this case the "if you were on UNIX" case holds. :P :)
Generated at 10:28 on 16 Apr 2008 by mariachi
