From: Timothy Knox Date: 03:11 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Firefox, we're not going steady... I don't remember when, but somewhere in the last year or so, Firefox has started to want the focus, ALWAYS! Firefox, I clicked on another app! Just because some d*mn web page you are trying to render wants to set a d*mn cookie does NOT give you the right to pop back in to the front and steal my d*mn focus. You are *NOT* the center of my d*mn computing experience! We are not in a monogamous, or even serially monogamous, relationship. I will continue to see other programs, and you need to stop calling all the time, and following me around. Just wait your d*mn turn! You fetid pile of horse dung! ;-)
From: Adeola Awoyemi Date: 10:21 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On 12 Mar 2008, at 03:11, Timothy Knox wrote: > I don't remember when, but somewhere in the last year or so, Firefox > has started > to want the focus, ALWAYS! Firefox, I clicked on another app! Just > because some > d*mn web page you are trying to render wants to set a d*mn cookie > does NOT give > you the right to pop back in to the front and steal my d*mn focus. > You are *NOT* > the center of my d*mn computing experience! We are not in a > monogamous, or even > serially monogamous, relationship. I will continue to see other > programs, and you > need to stop calling all the time, and following me around. Just > wait your d*mn > turn! You fetid pile of horse dung! ;-) So, I've yet again re-installed Firefox on my MacBook (this'd be the seventh time I think) and now when I open a new tab and try to enter an address in the address-bar it works fine, but... can I actually go the URL!? No! I press the Return key... nothing! I press the Enter key... nothing again! I press the little "Go" triangle just right of the address-bar... nothing! Grrrrrrr!!!! The only way I can go to a new URL is to open a new window! Now why would I use a browser that boasts tabbed-browsing when the DAMN "feature" don't even work :-@ Now I gotta find a better browser but I'm somewhat scared of Safari too...
From: Peter da Silva Date: 13:28 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On 2008-03-12, at 05:21, Adeola Awoyemi wrote: > Now I gotta find a better browser but I'm somewhat scared of Safari > too... Camino's got it's own hatefulness but mostly just works.
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 13:47 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... One thing I've always hated about Firefox is that it can't figure out that it should remove the newline instead of discarding the second half of a URL when I paste in one which happens to have been formatted to 80 characters. For some reason it always switches focus on part of a URL right before I hit delete also. I'll highlight the part I want removed, hit delete, and see that the wrong part has vanished. At least, I assume that's Firefox, because I don't have the same problem with another browser (Safari) or with any other application. A.
From: Denny Date: 14:08 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Ann Barcomb wrote: > For some reason it always switches focus on part of a URL right before > I hit delete also. I'll highlight the part I want removed, hit delete, > and see that the wrong part has vanished. I think I know what causes this one... The address bar is a multi-line text entry box... this means that if you go up slightly as you end your selection, it inverts (because it selects to that point on the line above, and from where you were to the start of the line you were on). I suspect that you're hitting delete just as the GUI updates with the inversion, so you don't actually see it happen. Very very annoying, but slightly easier to avoid once someone has told you what exactly is happening (or at least, it helped me when someone sent me a similar reply to this one). Play around with mouse-drift when selecting in the address bar and see what happens, then try to avoid it in future :) _Why_ it's a multi-line text entry box is of course, a subject for pointed and hate-filled questioning.
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 16:30 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... > The address bar is a multi-line text entry box... this means that if > you go up slightly as you end your selection, it inverts (because it > selects to that point on the line above, and from where you were to the > start of the line you were on). I suspect that you're hitting delete > just as the GUI updates with the inversion, so you don't actually see > it happen. [...] If it is a multi-line box, why can't it accept my multi-line URLs? All the drawbacks with none of the benefits. A.
From: Denny Date: 16:50 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Ann Barcomb wrote: > > The address bar is a multi-line text entry box... > > If it is a multi-line box, why can't it accept my multi-line URLs? As far as I can tell, it does. Paste the URL in, hit the home key, hit backspace (to remove the line-break) and voila, single-line URL. Wfm, ymmv.
From: Michael Jemmeson Date: 17:01 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On 12/03/2008, Denny <denny@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Ann Barcomb wrote: > > > > The address bar is a multi-line text entry box... > > > If it is a multi-line box, why can't it accept my multi-line URLs? > > As far as I can tell, it does. Paste the URL in, hit the home key, hit > backspace (to remove the line-break) and voila, single-line URL. Wfm, > ymmv. that's not accepting a multi-line URL, that's accepting it once you've a) noticed it's multi-line, and b) converted it to a single-line
From: Juerd Waalboer Date: 16:51 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... Ann Barcomb skribis 2008-03-12 17:30 (+0100): > If it is a multi-line box, why can't it accept my multi-line URLs? > All the drawbacks with none of the benefits. Oh, it can, but you'll have to PASTE those. I see that in FF3 it no longer works. In FF2 IIRC it did.
From: Aristotle Pagaltzis Date: 19:10 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... * Juerd Waalboer <juerd@xxxxxxxxxxx.xx> [2008-03-12 18:05]: > Ann Barcomb skribis 2008-03-12 17:30 (+0100): > > If it is a multi-line box, why can't it accept my multi-line > > URLs? All the drawbacks with none of the benefits. > > Oh, it can, but you'll have to PASTE those. > > I see that in FF3 it no longer works. In FF2 IIRC it did. Actually there's an about:config setting: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Editor.singleLine.pasteNewlines Hooray for all sorts of obscure make-me-broken-in-a-different-way settings thrown into an undiscoverable out-of-sight interface! (Also hooray for MediaWiki and "The title given to this article is incorrect due to technical limitations"! It's only the wiki engine behind a wannabe encyclopedia; why would it need to get such minor things right?) Regards,
From: Earle Martin Date: 13:00 on 13 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On 12/03/2008, Aristotle Pagaltzis <pagaltzis@xxx.xx> wrote: > (Also hooray for MediaWiki and "The title given to this article > is incorrect due to technical limitations"! It's only the wiki > engine behind a wannabe encyclopedia; why would it need to get > such minor things right?) That too, but bonus hate to the MozillaZine people for not keeping up with the code. A workaround was globally implemented for all the cases of that on Wikipedia a long time ago.
From: seph Date: 18:59 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... Ann Barcomb <ann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > All the drawbacks with none of the benefits. As near as I can tell, this is the driving factor behind the FF UI. seph
From: Phil Pennock Date: 21:13 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On 2008-03-12 at 14:47 +0100, Ann Barcomb wrote: > One thing I've always hated about Firefox is that it can't figure > out that it should remove the newline instead of discarding the > second half of a URL when I paste in one which happens to have been > formatted to 80 characters. It drops the newline for me, but I remember it being broken. I suspect that this is one of the things fixed in the FF3 beta series. I'm using Firefox3 beta4 on MacOS, because the FF3 betas are noticeably less prone to locking up with a pizza wheel because some background tab is doing DNS for Ajax or whatever weirdness. With Gmail, Safari, Camino and FF2 were all becoming ... frustrating. FF3b3 locked up a bit less than FF3b4 but b4 is noticeably faster with Gmail. I had cause to paste a multiline URL just yesterday, I think it was, and I was surprised when it worked. I went back and double-checked to be sure, and sure enough it was joining things back together before sending the request. I blinked quite a lot. FF seems to have actually fixed an annoying behaviour. It was shocking. Which is a sad commentary in and of itself. Never mind, the effed up new bookmarks interface restores my faith in the hatefulness of software. The FF devs abandoned their plans and shoved some stop-gap thing in which is even less intuitive for managing bookmarks. -Phil
From: ilmari (Dagfinn Ilmari =?utf-8?Q?Manns=C3=A5ker?=) Date: 11:06 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... Timothy Knox <tdk@xxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: > I don't remember when, but somewhere in the last year or so, Firefox has started > to want the focus, ALWAYS! Firefox, I clicked on another app! Just because some > d*mn web page you are trying to render wants to set a d*mn cookie does NOT give > you the right to pop back in to the front and steal my d*mn focus. You are *NOT* > the center of my d*mn computing experience! We are not in a monogamous, or even > serially monogamous, relationship. I will continue to see other programs, and you > need to stop calling all the time, and following me around. Just wait your d*mn > turn! You fetid pile of horse dung! ;-) Oh, Firefox 3.0b3 (on Ubuntu Hardo^Hy Heron) takes this hate to a whole new level! Occasionally, if I switch virtual desktops while a page is loading, the piece of shit will TELEPORT ITSELF THERE when it's done loading. Major Whisky Tango Foxtrot!
From: Daniel Pittman
Date: 12:34 on 12 Mar 2008
Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady...
ilmari@xxxxxx.xxx (Dagfinn Ilmari Manns=C3=A5ker) writes:
> Timothy Knox <tdk@xxxxxxxx.xxx> writes:
>
>> I don't remember when, but somewhere in the last year or so, Firefox
>> has started to want the focus, ALWAYS! Firefox, I clicked on another
>> app! Just because some d*mn web page you are trying to render wants
>> to set a d*mn cookie does NOT give you the right to pop back in to
>> the front and steal my d*mn focus. You are *NOT* the center of my
>> d*mn computing experience! We are not in a monogamous, or even
>> serially monogamous, relationship. I will continue to see other
>> programs, and you need to stop calling all the time, and following me
>> around. Just wait your d*mn turn! You fetid pile of horse dung! ;-)
>
> Oh, Firefox 3.0b3 (on Ubuntu Hardo^Hy Heron) takes this hate to a
> whole new level! Occasionally, if I switch virtual desktops while a
> page is loading, the piece of shit will TELEPORT ITSELF THERE when
> it's done loading. Major Whisky Tango Foxtrot!
I especially like the way Firefox noticed that my monitor is 150DPI, so
it decided to show the web the way it /should/ be.
It took my nice, correct eight to ten point fonts and inflated them to
somewhere around twice the size! Yay! Now I get ten point font at
twenty point size!
To give Firefox what it is due, though, it /also/ inflated everything
else to match! Extra yay!
Now I can have Firefox, which I loath, running with everything twice as
big and as bad as before! Menus twice the size! Icons scaled out of
proportion, because they were selected to match the display!
Thank you, Firefox, for reminding me why I loath you as a software
product. You are, indeed, a horse built by a camel.
Regards, and a spork in the eye,
Daniel
--=20
X Windows is the Iran-Contra of graphical user interfaces: a tragedy of
political compromises, entangled alliances, marketing hype, and just plain
greed. X Windows is to memory as Ronald Reagan was to money.
-- The Unix Haters Handbook
From: numien Date: 21:19 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... Dagfinn Ilmari Manns=E5ker wrote: > Timothy Knox <tdk@xxxxxxxx.xxx> writes: >=20 >> I don't remember when, but somewhere in the last year or so, Firefox h= as started >> to want the focus, ALWAYS! Firefox, I clicked on another app! Just bec= ause some >> d*mn web page you are trying to render wants to set a d*mn cookie does= NOT give >> you the right to pop back in to the front and steal my d*mn focus. You= are *NOT* >> the center of my d*mn computing experience! We are not in a monogamous= , or even >> serially monogamous, relationship. I will continue to see other progra= ms, and you >> need to stop calling all the time, and following me around. Just wait = your d*mn >> turn! You fetid pile of horse dung! ;-) >=20 > Oh, Firefox 3.0b3 (on Ubuntu Hardo^Hy Heron) takes this hate to a whole= > new level! Occasionally, if I switch virtual desktops while a page is > loading, the piece of shit will TELEPORT ITSELF THERE when it's done > loading. Major Whisky Tango Foxtrot! >=20 A related, albeit lesser, hate I have with Firefox 3 beta... I keep Firefox on desktop 2, Thunderbird on desktop 3. (Yes, I use=20 both... call me a masochist.) When I click a link in an email in=20 Thunderbird, Firefox obligingly teleports to desktop 3 to show it. Firefox 2 didn't do this, so I could click several links in e-mails,=20 then switch desktops to see them all nicely laid out in tabs. Now, I can understand some people might want this behavior. Notably=20 those who aren't used to virtual desktops and are wondering why they=20 keep clicking this link and nothing is happening. But personally I find=20 it hateful -- IMHO, apps should NEVER switch desktops on their own.
From: Denny Date: 21:31 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, numien@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > > I keep Firefox on desktop 2, Thunderbird on desktop 3. (Yes, I use > both... call me a masochist.) When I click a link in an email in > Thunderbird, Firefox obligingly teleports to desktop 3 to show it. > > Firefox 2 didn't do this, so I could click several links in e-mails, > then switch desktops to see them all nicely laid out in tabs. > > Now, I can understand some people might want this behavior. Notably > those who aren't used to virtual desktops and are wondering why they > keep clicking this link and nothing is happening. But personally I find > it hateful -- IMHO, apps should NEVER switch desktops on their own. Galeon was the only browser I've ever seen to get virtual desktops right. If I clicked on a link in an app on desktop1 and there was a browser on desktop1, then the link opened in a new tab. If there wasn't a browser on desktop1 (whether or not there was a browser on desktop2 or desktopN) then a new browser window opened on desktop1. I realise this isn't the behaviour you're wanting, but to me it seemed like a blazing ray of sanity in an otherwise dim field. I want it back.
From: David Cantrell Date: 21:59 on 12 Mar 2008 Subject: Re: Firefox, we're not going steady... On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 05:19:56PM -0400, numien@xxxxxxxxx.xxx wrote: > I keep Firefox on desktop 2, Thunderbird on desktop 3. (Yes, I use > both... call me a masochist.) When I click a link in an email in > Thunderbird, Firefox obligingly teleports to desktop 3 to show it. > > Now, I can understand some people might want this behavior. Notably > those who aren't used to virtual desktops and are wondering why they > keep clicking this link and nothing is happening. But personally I find > it hateful -- IMHO, apps should NEVER switch desktops on their own. Not only shouldn't they, they shouldn't be *able* to.
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